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Postby MasterMind » Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:52 am

How google found blog networks isn't relevant. Whether they signed up and made copies of each blog list or whether their software found it doesn't matter. It's not very hard to find any blog network. Understand that the footprint gets bigger each time a blog is added or a post is made. How they found them doesn't matter, the found them.

BU got caught up in the sweep and there's not much we can do about it. BU wasn't even the primary target. The blog networks that allowed 1 article to be posted to 100 sites and that kind of spammy crap by others is Compared to most blog networks BU was at the top of the heap for good posts and good blogs. However it's still a blog network and google doesn't like that.

As much as y'all might like to think google is a great place, goodle is a dictatorship. Most search engines are. When you get into SEO you play by the SE rules. Like them or not, fair or not, adding value or not. SE's are dictatorships.

I've been through a fair amount of these SE massacres and the one thing I know, this to shall pass. The problem we need to be concentrating on is what do we do now rather than spending time speculating on how google found all the blog networks.

Now we all have to go get links the old fashioned way, the hard way. Finding a place to post or comment that will pass link juice. That's hard to do and a lot more work than most people want to do.

Lol, one scheme that might work is a network of blogs that people post comments to rather than making posts. Google loves busy blogs with lots of comments. IMO it would have to be a very private blog network, invitation only, and no forums or lists of blogs accessible to any search engine. No affiliate programs and no discussion on open forums.

Another possiblity is a forum where people post about their problems with a page or site and others try to help them out. Everyone would have a sig and everyone would be allowed one link in their forum posts. A long time ago in internet time I had one of those and it worked well but it was a pita to keep spammers out. While the advertising on the forum made good money the hassle finally got to me and I let it go.

No matter what anyone decides to do there is no way to support tons of blogs and get the links you need and that google likes. While I have around 30 blogs, small potatoes compared to the idiots with thousands in blog networks, I already knew that having that many was bad. I don't do a lot of automated stuff and 30 is way to many to do manually without a blog network to post in.

I'm going to concentrate on having 3 large blogs that will become authority blogs. I mostly write my own articles or radically rewrite the PLR articles before I post them. Unique helps. I'll choose 3 different niches and work those to the max. Links will come from blog comments, forum comments, articles I write and submit to the article places, etc. Just like before blog networks happened.

There also happens to be another problem. For those of you who went and looked at the mind power search and checked out the sites you may have noticed that there were very, very few of them with ads for anything above the fold.

Planet Ocean, a respected SEO newsletter that is quite accurate and has a large staff managing their own websites for SEO. They do a lot of testing and give great advice.

* Google's Freshness & Panda updates have struck again with
an entire wave of sites just now being effected.

* Google is now laying BIG penalties on sites with tons of ads
featured 'above the fold'! and that includes Adsense.

The above are two things they believe, through their testing, have happened or are in the process of happening.

I'm moving most of my ads to below the fold, on the sites I plan on keeping. Makes good sense from a surfer standpoint as that's tells google the site os for surfers rather for selling affiliate stuff or getting adsense clicks. Never tested it as such but it's not impossible you could make more money as surfers will like the site better so you will get more traffic.

However it kinda puts the generic adsense sites out the window. Google has never liked sites that were made strictly for adsense even tho tons of people made big bucks that way.

In the future you need to be much more focused on providing great information and a great surfer experience than most of us have been. You'll need to learn whatever niches you are in, inside and out. It's simple as it;s just research.

I'll be getting rid of most of my bogs that are generic and have no real focus. Almsot any blog that allows posts on any and every topic aren't focused. If some of my keywords aren't in the url those blogs will be gone as they are now huge time wasters.

Oh, another thing I read from a trusted source is that google is going a different way with links. It's now not quantity but quality of the sites you are linking from that counts. The vast majority of our sites in BU are not considered quality by google standards.

The biggest problem with getting quality links is they are fairly hard to come by. I suspect that started happening in a small way a couple of months ago. The mind power site told me something was happening and when I started making two posts a day to it instead of the usual one it ws still going backwards. I even tried rewriting some of the pages and tweaking them for better seo and that didn't stop the slide either.

Like I said, I've survived through a few of these massacres and I'll survive this one too. Just need to stop, take a few breaths and go on with a new way of doing things.

Lol, at least my sites that are good at MSN aren't going backwards there, yet. ;) Just wish I could figure out why they are good at MSN as I have tons of pages that aren't. I haven't done anything specific to make them good at MSN, just the same things I've done to rise in google.

BTW, I doubt that deleting posts will help you much. Obviously if google doesn't like the posts you need to get rid of them but don't expect it to do much for you. Your sites aren't going backwards because you were delisted, they are going backwards because you are losing lnks to your sites.

With Wordpress blogs you can get rid of the posts by deleting the user. When you do that it will ask if you want to delete all that users posts or if you want to put them under someone else. Simple to get rid of all posts google doesn't like by doing that. It won't keep you from going backwards but you will look a little better to google. It's kind like shutting the barn door after all the cows escaped.

While I doubt there is much that Mike can do to resolve the situation here at BU I'll still be here and wait for him to come up with something else as I know he will sooner or later.

So will most of the other big boys that got hit. Just need to wait awhile for them to figure out some new schemes they think will work.
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Re: Houston, we have a problem!

Postby rogerv2 » Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:51 pm

Thanks, Mastermind for sharing your observations and action plans.
I am also waiting for Mike to come up with something, hopefully something more secret and inner-circled one, but in the mean time, I will keep building my web2.0 free blogs more aggressively and also look into diversifying my back-linking strategy.

After all, this is a business and every business is destined to meet roadblocks. So i know it's really up to us to get through this painful times
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Re: Houston, we have a problem!

Postby admin » Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:35 pm

Thanks for writing such a thoughtful piece!

How google found blog networks isn't relevant. Whether they signed up and made copies of each blog list or whether their software found it doesn't matter. It's not very hard to find any blog network. Understand that the footprint gets bigger each time a blog is added or a post is made. How they found them doesn't matter, the found them.


Excellent point.

Compared to most blog networks BU was at the top of the heap for good posts and good blogs. However it's still a blog network and google doesn't like that.


They have never liked people doing anything for SEOpurposes - so that isn't new.

As much as y'all might like to think google is a great place, goodle is a dictatorship. Most search engines are. When you get into SEO you play by the SE rules. Like them or not, fair or not, adding value or not. SE's are dictatorships.


That's true. While we'd prefer to do things for our own benefit alone - there are other considerations. And while it's easy to get mad at Google for being so mean and ruthless and stopping other people from dong things THEY do - like it or not - if we want traffic from Google we need to find a way to keep them happy.

I've been through a fair amount of these SE massacres and the one thing I know, this to shall pass. The problem we need to be concentrating on is what do we do now rather than spending time speculating on how google found all the blog networks.


Personally - while I can agree they may have found a lot of the sites in the blog networks - is that this was far wider reaching that that.

It was across all domains whether in blog networks or not.

I think with this algo update and possible manual review what they were really trying to do was remove the low value content sites.

High value sites with good home pages - even those in the blog network have survived.

This is wider ranging than just affecting blog networks or sites linked in them.

Sites that are in no way related or linked to in any manner have been deindexed.

I know people who have sites that do not have blogs and are in no way linked in a blog network and they got hit.

The one thing that seems common is they admit they used content from ezinearticles on their home page.

I have a feeling that may have something to do with this.

The question we should be asking is - why did some NOT get de-indexed. What is it about them that made them survive?

That is the answer we should be looking for.


And as far as making changes looking for links - that's all fine - you should always be looking in many places to get links - what I would suggest is more important is to make sure that if a human reviewer ends up on your site for whatever reason that they see a good looking home page with original content (no more scraping or copying!)

If you do this you will be safe.

If you do not do this - it doesn't matter whether you have links or not. There is a great chance your site wil get dropped.

As for linking in general - that's still the way to gain relevance.

If you lost links you need to gain new links.

The key now is to focus on getting new fresh links from sites that are in Googles index.

The general rule has been and will always be - that if a site is indexed by Google - having a link from it will be valuable.

This has not changed.


As for links from sites not indexed by Google - it's not in their index. They most likely are not crawling it and will not keep track of the link.

This is true.

BTW, I doubt that deleting posts will help you much. Obviously if google doesn't like the posts you need to get rid of them but don't expect it to do much for you. Your sites aren't going backwards because you were delisted, they are going backwards because you are losing lnks to your sites.


It's not about fixing the links you already have - it's about replacing them with new links.

And as long as the site is in Googles index you will get benefit.

They removed sites from the index that didn't pass their tests. Human or algo or whatever - the fact is they don't like low quality content and those are the sites that went first.

As to whether they are targeting blog networks or not - i would say this transcends blog networks - they are deindexing sites that have no original conetnt or low value content or both.
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Re: Houston, we have a problem!

Postby admin » Sun Mar 25, 2012 6:08 pm

Please read this post.

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1374&p=3873
Contribute your BLOG to the BU announcement blogs network!

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Re: Houston, we have a problem!

Postby MasterMind » Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:37 am

admin wrote:Please read this post.

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1374&p=3873


Lol, don't know who makes the longer posts, me or you. Good post and good points.

To clarify a couple of things in my post. I decided to build 3 sites as my main sites way back when google started putting pictures beside your urls when they came up in the serps. Some time after Google + started.

I won't be getting rid of any sites until it's time to renew them. Even my generic sites that aren't opt for anything but are all topic blogs.

The majority of my sites will stay in BU. The few I manage for others prob won't.

I am moving my advertising below the fold, particularly on my home pages, but on a blog that pretty much means all pages. When you have two big boxes of adsense ads at the top of the page and the content doesn't start until below the fold that's a pretty clear message that you don't care about the surfers but about making money first. While I don't do that I sure do manage to get at least 3-4 ads above the fold. Seems not to be a good thing anymore.

Interesting that this hurt a lot of people that Panda didn't get.

Lol, I've had worse things happen to me than a few sites loosing positions. One of the places I was associated with for about 6 years after I started on the net decided to remove all their webmasters but a few and in the next two years it cost me approx 60K of more. That was just in rebills, not in sales. That was prob closer to 300K that I lost in sales. But like everything else I survived and went on to prosper with other things.

The net, in some respects, is a lot like life. When things happen you need to pick yourself up, dust yourself off and get back to business.

It's not likely we'll ever know the true story and I'm pretty sure that all the rampant speculation means Cutts and company are laughing their asses off. Sure doesn't hurt them to have webmasters scared.
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Re: Houston, we have a problem!

Postby admin » Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:06 pm

Thanks!

I wouldn't move ads below the fold... that'll kill earnings. Even Google would tell you an ad needs to be mnear the top to get clicks ;)
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Re: Houston, we have a problem!

Postby rogerv2 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:41 am

Thanks, Mike for confirming what i been wondering what to do about for the last couple days. Well, i have not done anything special to my site (which are still indexed and getting usual amount of traffic with BU links)and so far there have not been any change whatsoever in terms of daily traffic and ranking according to ranktrackerplugin.
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Re: Houston, we have a problem!

Postby MasterMind » Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:17 am

admin wrote:Thanks!

I wouldn't move ads below the fold... that'll kill earnings. Even Google would tell you an ad needs to be mnear the top to get clicks ;)


Lol, yeah, I know. I can't decide what's worse. Less traffic and same clicks or more traffic and same clicks. I kinda like the idea of a text link to an affiliate product at the end of a post or page for selling affiliate products. Won't hurt that at all. Unfortunately most of my sites relied on Adsense and moving them will kill cash flow but it seems to be a catch 22.

Heh, google also tells you buying links is a bad thing yet they do it themselves. ROTF, life sucks when you get into trouble for following googles advice.
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Re: Houston, we have a problem!

Postby admin » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:01 pm

Google is actually the worst offender.

They make their money based on scraping content from other webs ites and using it for financial gain on their own pages without permission.
Contribute your BLOG to the BU announcement blogs network!

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Re: Houston, we have a problem!

Postby MasterMind » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:38 pm

Lol, that's one way of describing a search engine. 100% accurate, too. ;)
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